Note that some abilities cause a source to do something (for example, “Prodigal Pyromancer deals 1 damage to any target”) rather than the ability doing anything directly. Destruction or removal of the source after that time won’t affect the ability. Once activated or triggered, an ability exists on the stack independently of its source. That rule isn't what makes Marionette Master do its thing though that is covered by 113.7a: A rule exists for this, which only mentions when abilities request that the nonexistent thing does something, so it doesn't apply to spells: "If an ability states that an object does something, it’s the object as it exists-or as it most recently existed-that does it, not the ability." CR 608.2h. This is what happens if you destroy Bosh, Iron Golem with its ability on the Stack and it's what happens every time Mogg Fanatic's ability resolves. Decimate targeting an object like an enchantment creature as the target enchantment and as the target creature, which then loses one of those types, would be an illegal target for one of those selections but still a legal target for another one.ĭo take confidence if you recall, that abilities can sometimes cause things that don't exist to do things. If you're troubled by the sentence after the bolded part, it means to refer to cases where a spell has multiple target indicators, with different requirements, and you have pointed those targets at the same object. Any part of the effect that requires that information won’t happen. If part of the effect requires information about an illegal target, it fails to determine any such information. If the spell or ability creates any continuous effects that affect game rules (see rule 613.11), those effects don’t apply to illegal targets. Other parts of the effect for which those targets are not illegal may still affect them. Illegal targets, if any, won’t be affected by parts of a resolving spell’s effect for which they’re illegal. Otherwise, the spell or ability will resolve normally. It’s removed from the stack and, if it’s a spell, put into its owner’s graveyard. If all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal, the spell or ability doesn’t resolve. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. A target that’s no longer in the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. They reminded me of this when I brought up Marionette Master, but I know Marionette Master doesn't specifically state SHE is doing the damage Ram Through states "Target creature you control" does the damage.Ĭan you help me articulate the difference specifically with more rules references? This situation caused me to lose the game because I just went with it rather than arguing (while waiting for a response), but that has bothered me a lot, so I'd like help knowing officially why these circumstances are different.Ħ08.2b If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. They don't understand how this scenario is different than, when earlier in the game, I destroyed their creature in response to them casting Ram Through, stating that upon resolving, since their creature isn't around, Ram Through doesn't have a creature to reference power from, so it does no damage. I understand this, but I'm having trouble communicating with a new player. It seems you've updated your response since I initially replied, stating it's not considered damage dealt, but rather loss of life. 205.3g) has no abilities or game mechanics inherent to that type. 111.10a, is a "colorless Treasure artifact token with ' T, Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color'", the Treasure artifact type itself (C.R. Note that although a "Treasure token", as defined by C.R. Indeed, Marionette Master's last ability can be kept from resolving not by removing Marionette Master from the battlefield, but by countering that ability or by making the opponent it targets an illegal target of it (C.R. Note that the loss of life caused by that ability is not damage (damage to players usually causes loss of life, but not always ). When Marionette Master's last ability resolves with a legal target, the targeted opponent will lose life even if Marionette Master isn't on the battlefield anymore the amount of life will be equal to Marionette Master's power if Marionette Master is still on the battlefield, or the power that Marionette Master last had if it's no longer on the battlefield (C.R.
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